tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402918129554330465.post1167872247716225049..comments2024-03-28T07:35:52.985-07:00Comments on True Crime Stories: The Stobert "Toby" Holt CaseIndianagirl22472http://www.blogger.com/profile/01269843873856095284noreply@blogger.comBlogger37125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402918129554330465.post-33015240911227864192022-07-24T16:34:02.130-07:002022-07-24T16:34:02.130-07:00I’ve never heard of this case before but the ranso...I’ve never heard of this case before but the ransom note is worded incredibly similar to the JonBenet Ramsey one Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402918129554330465.post-29087659962183027422021-04-12T19:35:32.685-07:002021-04-12T19:35:32.685-07:00If you actually look at the evidence that was pres...If you actually look at the evidence that was presented, it's very obvious that Holt is guilty. This is not a case of coincidence after coincidence. This man is guilty. <br />Additionally, the original post labeling Robert as a "spoiled, rich kid" based off emails that were shared amongst people who clearly didn't like Robert is pretty interesting. You're not convinced based on all the evidence that Holt is guilty but you think you know Robert's whole personality based on a few emails?? My mom actually used to be close to Tom Wiles, Robert's father. She worked with him at his Toledo National Flight office location. We spent numerous days and nights at the Wiles' house. The Wiles family is incredibly kind and welcoming. Robert was close to his family. The family had plenty of money. Robert did not go off the grid and leave everyone in his life behind for money like the original posting tries to imply.<br />It's a shame too to compare this case to Casey Anthony's. Just because her case was botched does not mean that others, who are also clearly guilty, should walk free.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402918129554330465.post-3241998026627066992018-12-03T01:13:53.095-08:002018-12-03T01:13:53.095-08:00I also agree he is innocent. With everything you h...I also agree he is innocent. With everything you have stayed above is exactly what I believe also. Maybe a petition of some sort should be started? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402918129554330465.post-77882672583821109322017-05-06T15:13:57.311-07:002017-05-06T15:13:57.311-07:00So the coworker Holt kidnaps his boss's son, k...So the coworker Holt kidnaps his boss's son, knowing he is the last person to see him and will be the suspect and demands a ransom in cash placed in the office next door to his knowing it will be monitored and manages to leave zero evidence? And his plan is to hide the fact he just collected $750k in cash from the very people he works from while working for them?? Then he keeps the 'murder weapon' in his car despite giving up on getting the ransom and after he's killed the son and managed to make the body disappear from the face of the earth in 4 hours? And he uses the son's phone in his own car at the only time he knows surveillance will video him using it as he goes through the toll booth? This would have to be the stupidest kidnapping plot since Fargo but it's done by an aircraft engineering employee who has a great job getting paid a ton? This conviction requires me to believe, with no proof, that Holt is a complete lunatic who acts totally normal in person but is demonic in private. OR the FL cops simply hung this disappearance on him to get promotions. Hmmmm. I'm not saying he's innocent, but he was convicted on pure speculation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402918129554330465.post-62067538217473765582016-12-11T15:54:14.146-08:002016-12-11T15:54:14.146-08:00There is sooo much more to all this that you all h...There is sooo much more to all this that you all have no clue. Being a part of this made me realize the media makes you believe certain things and you can not begin to know the whole truth.I thought Jon Bonets family was guilty as heck and not sure they are not. But, unless you know half of the truth, because I believe I did live a lot of it but still don't know everything, don't draw conclusions. 48 hours was very biased in their story, making Toby sound innocent and it makes me sick. And Toby and I were co-workers and somewhat friendly. I'm not going to get into all the specifics but I am just going to say I was close to this whole thing and was interviewed twice by the FBI. I still to this day get totally emotional seeing Roberts picture or reading anything on his disappearance. I assure you Robert did not fake his kidnapping. The Wiles family, although not my favorite people, deserve to know what exactly transpired and where Robert's body is. Robert did not deserve being murdered and deserves to be buried with dignity, whether a spoiled rich kid or not. He by far was not a horrible person nor unwilling to work for his money. He went to college. Yes, he was a bit entitled. I want to know what happened to him because I have been hurt by this since I first found out and my heart has ached ever since Robert disappeared. I prayed to god he would walk through the door but after hearing the evidence presented at the trial (some all of you and 48 hours left out!) I know that is not going to happen. This "story" Susan presents is sickening as many of your comments are. I pray the Wiles family does not read any of this disgusting bs. They have suffered the worse kind of lost and are trying their best to go on. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402918129554330465.post-45941408351633175522015-05-28T17:56:36.572-07:002015-05-28T17:56:36.572-07:00Yes. Thank you. TV programs like this have a sto...Yes. Thank you. TV programs like this have a storyline 'based' on facts 'surrounding' a case. You have to read and reread all of the available documents first before believing what you see from the narrative. These shows are staged and timed and pieced together cleverly to create drama. Hence the emotional disbelief in justice. We react to it for a reason - it's a story cleverly written to be sold to a network like a piece of merchandise. Even though there are aspects in this case that widen our knowledge of the law somewhat - it is still as all crimes are highly personal to those involved. We are merely the audience of 48 hours....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402918129554330465.post-33475657013799494372015-03-29T16:04:57.211-07:002015-03-29T16:04:57.211-07:0048 Hours is infamous for leaving out important inf...48 Hours is infamous for leaving out important information in order to make the verdict seem surprising. I've checked the day-by-day local reporting on other cases (not this one) and information was left off that makes a guilty verdict seem obvious. My guess is that the jury decided that Stobert killed Robert and used the ransom request as a cover-up. Since there's no way to know how the killing happened, they had to chose manslaughter. If Stobert had killed accidentally he would have contacted the police. Judging from his demeanor at the trial (laughing and smiling) and in the interview he stays calm under stress. He would have called if the killing were accidental.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402918129554330465.post-46407861339669461702015-03-29T14:25:11.619-07:002015-03-29T14:25:11.619-07:00So he is screwing a dozen women, and his eyes does...So he is screwing a dozen women, and his eyes doesnt look like yours! Soo, what your saying is that makes him a murderer ? Ok????? I really hope you never make it on the jury , there will be alot of innocent people possibly put behind bars if you do! Stupid comment!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402918129554330465.post-44716229827971030122015-03-29T14:22:05.130-07:002015-03-29T14:22:05.130-07:00He is screwing a dozen women, soooo in your eyes t...He is screwing a dozen women, soooo in your eyes that makes him a murderer! Yeah, lets hope you never make it on the jury, there would be alot of innocent people behind bars!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402918129554330465.post-59508935301108270602014-12-20T10:50:59.536-08:002014-12-20T10:50:59.536-08:00You have to assess the totality of the evidence. F...You have to assess the totality of the evidence. For example you are right to say that lying to police in a serious crime investigation is not prove of guilt. But if you are lying to create an alibi for a period when the police believe a kidnapping took place you should realize that this will make you a leading suspect. The strongest evidence in this case relates to Robert Wiles cell phone, which was pinging off the same towers are Holt's along the turnpike which was matched to Holt's car by toll booth CCTV. Holt does not deny this was him driving his car so why was Robert's cell phone tracking his journey? I believe it was Holt's inability to explain this that proved most damning to his case. I believe the jury got it right in this case, but that's not to say there aren't many miscarriages of justice. But the absence of a body should not rule out a prosecution for murder when the other evidence is strong enough as it was in this case.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402918129554330465.post-68080429867543749382014-12-20T10:25:25.820-08:002014-12-20T10:25:25.820-08:00If Robert is alive what is he living on - thin air...If Robert is alive what is he living on - thin air? Remember, no one collected a ransom. He was part of a wealthy and close family. It seems unlikely he would give all that up for $750,000. But just suppose he was part of a kidnap plot - he would need an accomplice in the office because this is where the ransom money was to be left. Given the evidence from Robert's cell phone which was pinging off the same towers as Holts along the turnpike, that accomplice would have to be Holt. But if Robert is alive and Holt was his accomplice why wouldn't Holt admit it to reduce his long prison sentence? So the idea that Robert was involved in his own kidnapping is not credible. Clearly the police considered this possibility and concluded that it made no sense.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402918129554330465.post-46028013978058135412014-12-20T10:06:28.787-08:002014-12-20T10:06:28.787-08:00This is the best account I have read of the events...This is the best account I have read of the events surrounding Robert Wile's disappearance. I find it hard to believe that anyone reading your text would continue to have doubts as to Holt's guit.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402918129554330465.post-6684983049574099522014-09-07T16:38:27.846-07:002014-09-07T16:38:27.846-07:00Because somebody a liar and can't get their st...Because somebody a liar and can't get their story straight while being investigated for murder makes them guilty?? You ever get questioned for murder better yet one you didn't commit?? You tend to not think straight or clearly. At all. 1 he had his hand up in a photo so?? What does that prove?? He was a man who wore glasses and drank Dr pepper ALL the time?? 2 Cell phones pinged ?? So?? What if he was framed and was being followed by Robert himself or whoever is really responsible? My cell phone always says I'm not where I am. 3 Robert spoke of faking a kidnapping and it's thrown away?? 4 no body no weapon and a conviction? ? What is this mexico?? I thought we lived in america innocent until proven guilty BEYOND REASONABLE DOUBT. There's more reasonable doubt then there is evidence. 4 motive?? How about the drunk mechanic that threatened the boss man in a very violent murder motivated way. And once again that other thing. Um a body a murder weapon. How do you convict somebody of the murder of somebody you can't even prove is dead better yet murdered??? Is this what you people call justice?? It's an embarrassment to our system and everybody including the judge involved in this case needs to be not only fired but imprisoned for not only failing to complete the tasks they swore and oath to do but conflict of interests. Every statement about Toby was spoken from personal opinion and he did not have a fair trial what so ever if he did he would be free and still investigated. Which would be more intelligent cause people eventually slip but he can't in a cell (if he's even guilty) you people should be ashamed of yourselves wishing somebody rot in a cell for a crime that technically nobody knows if was even committed based on circumstances and coincidence. This is a horrible display of justice . Have you ever sat in a cell?? Probably not cause if you ever did you would want to make sure the evidence was beyond a reasonable doubt. <br /><br />Don't forget the big DNA mixup where they found out 20,000 + people are in prison for crimes they aren't guilty of and they told the truth from day one yet they're as you ignorantly put it "rotting" in a cell for something they didn't doAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402918129554330465.post-29356363030763114562014-06-22T07:18:12.219-07:002014-06-22T07:18:12.219-07:00There were 75 witnesses and 200+ pieces of evidenc...There were 75 witnesses and 200+ pieces of evidence presented to the jury. 48 hrs viewers did not see anywhere close to the actual case. <br /><br />I thought the guy was innocent, but thats based on what I saw on TV. We need to remind ourselves that the jury saw things we did not. I believe jury did manslaughter because they thought somebody else was involved including Holt. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402918129554330465.post-42538237463981463482014-05-10T18:14:00.049-07:002014-05-10T18:14:00.049-07:00Do you guy really believe with the evidence provid...Do you guy really believe with the evidence provided this toby guy should spend his life in prison? I honestly believe this guy Robert is still alive. He faked his own kidnapping. He probably thought he could have gotten away with it and his family would have called it quits but NO. He put them through hell and fucked up someone's life in the process. And there is no way he is going to come out from hiding and face what he has done. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00904580340723212495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402918129554330465.post-77329472642764197742014-05-10T18:05:37.040-07:002014-05-10T18:05:37.040-07:00this case is messed up. They basically gave Toby l...this case is messed up. They basically gave Toby life in prison for no reason! If he were really believed to have kidnaped and killed Robert he would have been given life in prison, no question. I personally believe this family was too hell bent on getting some sort of satisfaction for what might have happened to their son. And with the information provided by Robert's barber; he had it in mind to fake his own kidnaping and he most have known about the $750,000 that his father agreed to give to his mother. I believe this Robert guy is still alive somewhere and was just too much of a pussy to face his family and do what he wanted in life. This is one of the most BS cases Ive ever seen. Thanks 48!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00904580340723212495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402918129554330465.post-89538567578641657182013-12-05T06:18:33.697-08:002013-12-05T06:18:33.697-08:00Give me a break! Why do you think people hide the ...Give me a break! Why do you think people hide the bodies of people they murder and destroy evidence? Because people like you believe they should get away with it if there isn't a body. There was a body and then there wasn't due to them. He is right where he belongs.Emhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09482005063045476422noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402918129554330465.post-30087334755024052472013-09-26T19:34:59.261-07:002013-09-26T19:34:59.261-07:00give me a break...this guy is so GUILTY. The only ...give me a break...this guy is so GUILTY. The only way he wasn't convicted of first degree murder is because that couldn't prove he planned on killing Robert. Nevertheless, the jury did find him guilty of killing him. All the evidence proves he killed Robert. The people that believe he is innocence is so very ignorant. Unfortunately there are always going to be people like that who believes a person is innocent even is the person who died came back to life and actually said that person is the one who took their life. And just because bodies aren't found doesn't mean murders aren't committed...there are killers that are very good disposing of bodies.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402918129554330465.post-41029088499316046912013-09-08T22:30:33.184-07:002013-09-08T22:30:33.184-07:00I agree with you on his innocence. Everyone can sp...I agree with you on his innocence. Everyone can speculate about Robert's phone, but the truth is - IT'S SPECULATION! Robert Wiles' phone was NOT "in" his car - it just pinged off the same towers for crying out loud. Does anyone have any idea how many people can ping off of a tower in their vicinity at a given moment? I just think the justice system can appear very pathetic & pure lazy at times. Answers aren't making themselves known, so let's adjust what's there to answer what we don't... If he's as guilty as they say - then they should've been able to prove it beyond a shadow of a doubt. I hope TRUE Justice is eventually served for all involved. I just happen to think this isn't it.Drehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16536176242646748993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402918129554330465.post-15204650435525119672013-08-28T04:33:26.170-07:002013-08-28T04:33:26.170-07:001. the picture of holt at 6:04pm (two days after R...1. the picture of holt at 6:04pm (two days after Robert was last seen) correlated to the time Robert's phone was used to check Robert's voicemail from 6:04-6:10pm, the time undisputedly when holt's phones were not 'active' meaning holt was not using holt's phones at 6:04pm to call or text or check his own voicemail yet at 6:04pm Robert's phone was active and Robert's phone was using the same towers as Holt's phones when Holt was seen with something pressed against Holt's ear minutes after a call and text was sent from Robert's phone containing ransom demands in the form of a text and after a missed voice call was sent/made to Tim from Robert's phone. In my opinion holt was making subsequent ransoms and checking for a response via voicemail all between 5:46pm-6:10pm (two days after Robert was last seen) using Robert's phone and got caught on tape doing so.<br /><br />2. the home depot thing is very telling, first holt called information for the home depot and then minutes later Duct tape and Plastic sheeting items were paid for with cash minutes before that home depot closed and Holt was placed from information in cell towers within close proximity of this sale--what I draw from this is that holt didn't have a clue what time the store closed and at the last minute Holt went in and grabbed whatever Holt could and left and then minutes later Holt checked into a hotel and then left again and didn't return for 3 hours at a time Holt claimed he was first at a hooters drinking beers from 6:45-8? and then cruising parking lots for women and then at an outback steakhouse from 9:00 to 10:00pm. but Holt was never at that steakhouse or hooters according to surveillance and witnesses Holt wasn't there. he was calling gun stores 3-4 hours before Robert went missing and Holt owned a gun and Holt was en-route to that Home Depot and then right after Home Depot closed seen on surveillance at that Hotel to check in then left to do whatever with Robert's body between 9:00 and 12:00 that night. That's my opinion based on how I understand the facts in the case.<br /><br />If not only Holt is guilty then holt was deeply involved. Meyer looked innocent, grief didn't look so innocent and many of them had a motive. Tim should have cleared house so to speak. I would be interested to know who kept their job or why.<br /><br />I love 48 hours! it's always fascinating!<br />cheers,<br />mike c.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402918129554330465.post-11834157266312299232013-08-18T16:48:05.874-07:002013-08-18T16:48:05.874-07:00C'mon people...are you kidding. We SHOULD NOT...C'mon people...are you kidding. We SHOULD NOT be able to convict someone and take way their freedom without a body, any DNA evidence that a murder has even occurred!! I think his parents BOUGHT this conviction just so they could sleep at night and feel like they did something. I think there's a good chance Tobi was set up and Roberts laughing at everyone from some beach somewhere! <br />Geez!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402918129554330465.post-69276206015518649812013-07-01T05:14:28.785-07:002013-07-01T05:14:28.785-07:00 I watched the episode for the 2nd time today. And... I watched the episode for the 2nd time today. And for the sake of others who are innocent and in jail I did not see enough to convict him and the FACT that the family still clings to the idea he could walk in the door anytime and has not had a ceremony or any type of closure such as a wake etc and his body has not been found, means they still cling to him being alive yet say they believe he was killed. I certainly hope this guy gets a new trial with a new jury!<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402918129554330465.post-24147605709044725692013-06-01T18:17:39.577-07:002013-06-01T18:17:39.577-07:00Holt constantly tells lies that are easily debunke...Holt constantly tells lies that are easily debunked. He says he paid with a credit card, when it's easy to show otherwise. He says that there are no firearms in his car, right before FBI agents search it and find his gun. Such "magical thinking" indicates not only a certain stupidity, but also a disconnect with reality. He tells lies and hopes against hope that things will work out. He lies to all these women. He lies at work. He lies to police.<br /><br />The previous poster is right in noting his chilling expressions -- who smiles when talking about murder, and when his own guilty verdict is pronounced? Holt smiles with his mouth, but not his eyes. He uses his face the same way he uses his words -- to lie.<br /><br />The jury was right to convict on manslaughter. There's no evidence of an intent to kill, but all the same, Robert Wiles likely died on April 1st as the result of workplace violence. The ransom demands on April 2nd and 3rd were just an afterthought, a cover-up, a hopeful piece of magical thinking.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402918129554330465.post-14496485908669709632013-06-01T18:17:04.654-07:002013-06-01T18:17:04.654-07:00There is a pretty damning web of circumstantial ev...There is a pretty damning web of circumstantial evidence in this case. Holt had motive, means, and opportunity -- and was the likely the only person to have all three. Holt REPEATEDLY lied to police, and when caught in a lie, could furnish no good explanation.<br /><br />-he said that he left work at 6:30pm on April 1st and went to Hooters for a few beers. Video surveillance shows that he never entered or exited Hooters. Waitstaff do not remember him.<br />-he said that he cruised around for women, then went to Outback, was served by a certain waitress, and paid by credit card. But his credit card was never used and restaurant receipts show no trace of him. The waitress does not remember him.<br /><br />Meanwhile:<br />-his cell phone is used from work at 8:35pm, long after he said he'd left. He tells his wife he's not coming home that night.<br />-his cell is used again to call Home Depot at 8:41pm. Now, he's on the move and his cell pings close to the store. When asked about this, Holt claims that he was inquiring about mini-blinds for the office -- during the time when he claimed he had left the office, drunk a few beers, and was cruising for women. Sure.<br />-at Home Depot, someone buys duct tape and plastic sheeting with cash at 8:54pm. It's the last purchase that day, and a sign that Wiles is already dead.<br />-minutes after this purchase, Holt checks into a nearby hotel, then immediately leaves for close to 3 hours. He cannot account for his whereabouts.<br /><br />The ransom e-mail isn't sent until late the next day. This is unusual -- kidnappers who seek money are highly motivated to move quickly and typically have a ransom note prepared. They don't want to hold the person longer than needed. It's clear that the kidnapper knows the office well, and so the suspect pool is small. The only person engaged in a workplace vendetta against Robert Wiles was Toby Holt. E-mails show that he was trying to get other employees to badmouth Wiles and get him transferred. They also suggest that Holt was inflating prices on jobs and siphoning money. Holt was, after all, living beyond his means. He drove a BMW and had a dozen girlfriends. He had the most to lose if Wiles -- the one most invested in protecting his family's business -- uncovered his activities and halted his financial stream.<br /><br />The kidnapper's follow-up text, directing Wiles's father to read his e-mail, was sent from Robert's cell a day later, on April 3rd. Multiple calls/texts were made from both Holt's cell and Robert's cell during a drive to Orlando. The two phones pinged off the same towers along the way. Unless you believe that there were two cars driving side by side along the same route, at the same time, at the same speed for 1.5 hrs -- and one of them contained Holt and the other contained Robert Wiles and they never noticed each other -- you have to conclude that both phones were in the same car. This choreography gets fancier when you realize that there isn't any time overlap among the multiple calls/texts. This is consistent with a single user switching between two phones, but inconsistent with two users in two cars making multiple calls independently. The smoking gun is that photo of Holt on the phone at the very time and location that Robert Wiles's cell was being used to access his voicemail. Once you place the two phones in the same car, it's clear whose phone Holt was using (esp. since Holt's phone was off).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1402918129554330465.post-5198643152032563802013-02-20T21:06:22.332-08:002013-02-20T21:06:22.332-08:00I personally know Toby. I went to high school with...I personally know Toby. I went to high school with him. He was always a polite, studious, go-getter. There is nothing scary about his eyes. He never exhibited any sociopathic tendencies that I ever witnessed. He had alot of friends and cared about people. Nor was he violent or vengeful. He also was not spoiled by any means. One time he was wanting to come to my house for a visit but too young to drive a vehicle and had no one who could bring him, so he rode his bicycle the 12 miles (one way) because he had told me he was coming over. He always seemed like a good guy. I hope he did not do any of the things he was accused of. I also hope he has the ability to get his case back into court if he is innocent so that he doesn't have to spend time in jail if he did not commit this crime.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com